Explain Value Bets Better For Me Please 6s6q5n

What exactly is a value bet? Aren't all bets for value?

I've made too many posts to count in the past (maybe mostly on 2p2 but I think I have on here too) that the whole m right.

The reason you bet is because it's the most +EV thing to do.

The idea don't have any other cards to come.

A well lose.

This is a m pretty sure Spoon has made a few articles that mention it.

Now in reality poker is much more complicated than that and it's only in very specific situations we can simplify it to anywhere near that simple and have well defined value bets and bluffs but that is essentially what they mean.

Overly simplistic definitions are basically
Value - enough worse hands fold to make it profitable

Originally Posted by Savy

I've made too many posts to count in the past (maybe mostly on 2p2 but I think I have on here too) that the whole m right.

The reason you bet is because it's the most +EV thing to do.

Guess you're thinking about something like betting for protection? i.e. we bet ace high or flopped m with you in the right situations.

Originally Posted by Savy

Overly simplistic definitions are basically
Value - enough worse hands fold to make it profitable

It my be simplistic, but it's the best definition.

Originally Posted by The Bean Counter

It my be simplistic, but it's the best definition.

best at what?

Certainly not at capturing the nuances and subtleties of comparing ranges and seeing that there are RARELY situations that are pure value or pure bluff. It's almost always a mixture of both, it's just a matter of how much.

There are obvious examples where you can't ahead.


EDIT: the semi-m sure someone can come up with a better example.

Originally Posted by Mcash2

Aren't all bets for value?

If you're doing it right, yes.

This is the Beginner's Circle forum. No one here is doing it right (at least not often enough).


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The notion of categorizing bets as value, bluff, is that it's an after-the-fact view of poker strategies.

It assumes the incomplete information is not relevant. It says, "Look, you had X, opponent had Y, and you either were or were not ahead when you made that bet."

The reality is that you can never know this when it matters. You only find out what post-analysis terminology when trying to educate someone on how to be good at betting.

It's much better to talk about ranges.